77. Tips For A Successful School Website Redesign with Barb Doyle

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Aubrey: Welcome to Mindful School Marketing. I’m 

 

Tara: Aubrey Bursch. And I’m Tara Claes. Today we’re joined by Barb Doyle. Barb is the Director of marketing and communications at Renbrook School, a preschool through grade eight school in West Hartford, Connecticut. She has a diverse background. With more than twenty-five years of marketing, graphic design, operations, and leadership experience in education, healthcare, and publishing.

 

Welcome, Barb. It’s so great to see you. 

 

Barb: It’s so great to see you Tara and Aubrey. I’m so excited to be here with you today. Thanks for asking me to join you. 

 

Aubrey: Yes, Barb, we, we are so excited that you’re here today and we can’t wait to dive into this topic that we’re discussing here today. But before we get started, I, we’d love for you to share with our audience a little bit more about yourself and maybe your role at school.

 

Barb: Sure, sure. Um, well, as Tara mentioned, I am the, uh, director of marketing and communications at Renbrook School in West Hartford Connecticut. We are very fortunate to sit on a beautiful seventy-five acre campus on top of Avon Mountain. It’s a wonderful place to spend your days. I. Um, and I have a long history in marketing, graphic design and administration in both education and healthcare.

 

I also have, um, a small consulting marketing business that I run, and I’ve spent the last nine years in independent school marketing. So I am a department of one and a half here at Renbrook. So I’m a small shop, which I, I know a lot of your listeners can relate to. So, um, my, my roles really span a wide berth of different responsibilities.

 

Tara: Yes, you um, you and I have worked together, so, and I’ve been to your beautiful campus. It is a wonderful school. Um, and we’re so grateful to you for joining us today. We hear questions, um, about different things, and specifically we’ve had questions about what’s involved in a website redesign.

 

And while I could talk about this by myself for hours, since it’s what I do for a living. We thought it would be helpful to have information from someone who works within a school, from your perspective. Mm-Hmm. About doing a website redesign. I also really miss seeing you since your website launched, and it’s a good excuse for me to chat with you too, Bart.

 

But let’s start with the big first question, which is how often should a school redesign their website and how do they know when it’s time? 

 

Barb: Okay. Well thanks Tara. I miss seeing you too. We had a good run there, seeing each other very often, and now it, we go too long in between. So, um, it’s a great question and I think the answer is relatively complex, um, because it depends on many factors.

 

So I don’t think it’s just a cut and dry sort of thing. Um, I, general marketing industry standards say that you should redesign maybe every two to three years, but I’m not sure that’s always realistic in independent schools. As we touched on already, we tend to have small, rather under resourced departments, and we’re, we’re wearing a lot of different hats, so having the bandwidth to redesign might be an issue for people.

 

Um, I absolutely think that we all need a very solid refresh every year, and that, you know, is even if we don’t need a full redesign, the refresh can be something that we all need a hand with. Um. So I think, you know, obviously content needs to remain fresh and accurate and SEO has to be driving results.

 

Um, and it should be on your regular to-do list to to refresh all the time. But a full redesign, I think in independent schools in particular, is probably more realistic around the five-year level. Is what I, I have found, um, from the time I raised the idea of a need for a redesign with the, um, with my head of school and others on our, our leadership team until the, the time that we launched was almost two years.

 

So, um, you really need to do this. Steps. Right? It doesn’t, it’s not a quick fix sort of thing. Um, you asked in addition, when do you know that it’s time? And I, I found that there are some clear warning signs that you should look for, um, and ask questions of yourself. Right? Does your site look outdated? Um, design trends change really rapidly these days.

 

And if you are really just, if you don’t look fresh and bright and welcoming it, it is a factor in, in how long people stay with you and peruse your sight. I. Um, what’s the user experience like for your visitors, right? Get some feedback from your newest families who have just gone through that process and find out what worked for them and what didn’t work for them.

 

Um, is your target audience accurate? I can’t tell you how many times I see this in independent schools. So many schools try to be a website for both their perspective families. And their current families and it gets all muddy in there. So, um, you know, we made the choice, uh, that was the case with our website, but we made the choice to really make it a front-facing marketing-serving website for prospective families.

 

So that, you know, I think that’s a big question that you need to ask. Certainly, what are your analytics telling you? Um, are parents spending significant time with you or are they bouncing off really quickly? Can they find what they need? Um, how are you ranking in organic searches? So I, these are some of the questions that I asked myself when we started this process, and that was helpful to me.

 

Tara: Yeah, I think, um, those are great points. I also, um. I wanna add that sometimes when it’s too challenging for your team to make edits to your website, you know, when, when, and that’s, you know, when something’s, when the software’s out of date or when just the management on the back end is, is not smooth and easy and it’s really frustrating, that’s a good sign that you need to make some changes, um, on the back end just to streamline the process, right?

 

Barb: Mm-Hmm. And that was the case for us too, because it really. Um, it, uh, uh, I use the term buggy all the time. You know, where we were, it was buggy and it wasn’t working well for us, so good point. Yeah, 

 

Aubrey: there’s, I, I’ve been with many schools and when they’re talking about their site, they’re like, I tried to upload this one thing and it threw off everything else.

 

Uh, so yes, that’s always the challenge. And, and that’s one of the red flags for, hmm, maybe you do need a website redesign. Um, shifting gears a little bit, like, let’s say you’ve decided like this is, it’s time to change your website. What’s, what are the next steps? Like, where did you go from there? Was it finding funding, getting proposals?

 

Um, what did your school do once they knew it was time to build a website? I. 

 

Barb: Yes. Um, as I mentioned earlier, um, you know, I knew two years ago that I needed to start this journey. So, um, I actually started the process a little unconventionally, and I’ll throw this out there because it worked really well for me.

 

Um, I knew that as if I was gonna manage the build of a new site that I really needed. Good photo and video content and I was gonna be, my time was going to be really taken up with the rebuild of the site. And would I have time to do those things as well? So the first thing that I did, you know, knowing that the wheels have changed, can grind slowly, and I would have time on this.

 

Um, during that first year, I managed, I planned and managed, um. Uh, two photo shoots and a video shoot. So the video shoot was actually a six-day video shoot capturing, you know, as many aspects of the day-to-Day learning as I could. Um, I captured, uh, probably about 25 testimonials from I. Parents, students, alumni, faculty, um, and even secondary school admission officers who accept Brentbrook students.

 

Um, the professional video shoots, again, very detailed and planned out. One was a full day of organic shooting, and then the other one was very intentionally staged to capture particular scenarios like, what did we want to show on our leadership page? What did we wanna show on our, you know, building, you know, character building and social emotional learning?

 

What images would really tell those stories? So we spent a lot of time doing that. Um, the next was research and I’ll say research, research, research. So there was a lot of research. Um, there are a lot of choices out there, and I reached out to colleagues. I’m, I’m very, um, lucky to have a great group of colleagues in Connecticut through the Connecticut Association of Independent Schools.

 

Um, I run the marketing and Roundtable Communications group. Um, so we meet every two weeks, and one of the things that’s wonderful for us is we consider ourselves colleagues before competitors. So we share a tremendous amount of information with one another, and I talk to all of my peers, you know, to say, what are you doing?

 

What are you using? What’s your CMS at this point? Who’s using BlackBot? Who’s using FinalSight? I’m very interested in WordPress because I think it’s gonna give me a lot more flexibility. And it became clear to me very early on that a WordPress site was going to be far more flexible and more cost effective for us.

 

So, um, but then I had questions too. Would it be compatible with our SIS? Because we stayed with Blackboard in the back end, so I had to make sure that everything was going to sink in in that area. And then once I had all my facts and figures, that’s when I brought it back to my leadership team. I’m a member of the leadership team.

 

There are 10 of us that sit on that team, and everyone was in agreement that pursuing a web, a WordPress website was definitely the way to go. So my next phase was then vetting designers, and I did a lot of work on that. I, I landed on three possible agencies after doing more research, spent time with each one individually, and then had the final two meet with my entire team and present to my entire team.

 

Um, we chose Tara, so, uh, she’s a gem, she’s an expert in her field. An expert in independent school, um, WordPress websites, and she knows our industry. So it, it was really a win-win for us. She was not afraid to redirect us when she felt we were going down a path that we shouldn’t be going down, um, and should redirect us to the best choice and right fit for us.

 

So, um, overall she was just a really good foot, a really good fit. And that’s so important because you spend an inordinate amount of time together in the design phase. So, um, so that was kind of my trajectory. That’s very kind. 

 

Tara: Thank you. 

 

Barb: You’re welcome. 

 

Aubrey: Well deserved. So I’m cur Yes it is. She’s amazing. Um, so I’m curious, like if, if I’m a school, because we, we are working with lots of schools and they’re like, you know what?

 

Our website’s not quite doing it, but, you know, we, we could probably hold on for two more years, like two more years. Like, what was that runway like? So if, if I’m looking at budgets like, and we know this is gonna be. We’re doing the research here and it’s coming out of the next year’s budget or something like, what is, how did you work that and would you say it’s like looking two years in advance and then setting the budget and making sure that you have the funds, because there’s a lot of components like messaging for a website.

 

There’s also, uh, potentially, um, the, the, the refresh of photos and videos so that you have really great content on the website, all that. Can you talk a little bit more about that? 

 

Barb: Sure. So in my planning, I kept that photo video a little bit separate. Um, I, I used, you know, really looked at what my resources were and really planned for the year that I was gonna do those, you know, kept that as a separate budget item.

 

I didn’t do that in, in the midst of my website, um, budget I item. And I must say that quite honestly, uh, we knew we were going to have to do this, so we knew we would kind of find the money somewhere, right? But that, that’s not always the case. But I have to say that this saved us money. So it was a no-brainer.

 

Um, had we done, um, a redo with BlackBaud, which we knew we needed to do a redo no matter what, right? Had we done a redo with BlackBaud, it was gonna cost us a whole lot more. Had we flipped over to FinalSight, that was gonna be a huge ticket. Um, with working with a WordPress site, I have the flexibility in the backend management that I need.

 

I don’t have those buggy problems that I was having and, um, and it cost me less than it would’ve for many of the large vendors. So. That part of it. I, you know, not a direct answer to your question, Aubrey, because I think, you know, I knew that was gonna work out in our favor, so that was a pretty easy hurdle to, to get over.

 

1. Yeah. And I   

Tara: think, um, you know, even for, for schools that maybe have more budget or or less budget, those are the questions that they’re gonna be asking. Right? If you’re, if you have a bigger budget and you wanna work with, you know, a proprietary, um, software for your website, you’re still gonna go through this review process and budget process.

 

Absolutely. And mm-Hmm. And you’re still going to have to have a budget for photos and videos and those types of things, or, or if you don’t have it, then you have to plan for. What you’re gonna use instead. So I think, you know, whether you’re using WordPress or something else there, that part of the planning is really essential to, to look at the different software options and see what the pluses and minuses are of using, you know, of using a proprietary platform or using something that’s more open source, um, which will save you money, but maybe you don’t have the bandwidth.

 

To manage it, um, you know, Mm-Hmm. Where you want everything all in one place. So I think that that makes sense. So for, and having worked with you, I know you and I both are like master organizers and spreadsheet fans. Yeah. Um, and it really helps, it really helps to be organized. Right. Really helps to, um, I think to keep your, your strategy in mind.

 

With everything that you’re doing, underscoring that, and then having a really, um, you know, a really excellent way to manage all the content that you’re putting together. And so, Mm-Hmm. For you as a coordinator, can you share some tips with people on how to do that? Because you’re obviously not the only person who’s invested in what content is going on the site.

 

You are the, you are the main conduit, right. That works with the agency, which is how it usually works. Um, but you’re, you’re. You’re hearing from a lot of people, and that’s gotta be really challenging to take a lot of opinions and condense them down to give direction to the agency that you’re working with.

 

So would you share what that process was like for you and how you kept it organized and, and made those decisions? 

 

Barb: Absolutely, absolutely. I am a spreadsheet lover. So, you know, a lot of, a lot of that was going on from, from the very beginning of the photo and video shoots. You know, the, I had spreadsheets for those.

 

I had planning for those. And I talked with, you know, uh, with constituents. I talked with some of our stakeholders. I talked with, you know, people that make up our personas and, um, you know, to, to really see what it was that resonated with them and did the planning on that. We did, um, I would say we did our planning meetings and focus groups over a period of about a year.

 

So this was a, like I said, two year process for us overall, we started out with really just members of our leadership team. Um, not the whole team either. It was myself, my head of school, our academic leaders. So we have three divisions, beginning school, uh, lower school, and um, upper school. And then our director of enrollment, and we met numerous times to map out kind of the key components of what we felt needed to be on the new site.

 

We had way too much text on our old site. We had way too many pages that went way too deep. Um, and we spent a lot of time talking about the story that we wanted to be telling in 2023 and beyond. Um, our academic leaders did a, a, the majority of the contact. Tent writing for their divisions. They’re all excellent writers and I was very fortunate in that.

 

Um, and my head of school is also an excellent writer and, um, has, you know, a definitive voice. So we expanded that group, um, a few times to include our CFO, our director of development, our our IT people, um, and athletics. But, uh, you know, that was important to bring them in, but we didn’t meet all of those people all the time.

 

That would’ve been too unruly really. So the bulk of the work was done by the smaller group. Um, next we did some focus groups, and when we did that, we pulled in board members, parents, alumni. Um, along with that core group and that was really helpful to have the perspective of those people as well. So we worked during that time on really clearly defining our pillars, you know, what are our points of excellence, what differentiates us?

 

And we got some great, I. Feedback and support on our decisions there. Um, once we were in the design phase, when I was working with Terra, the core group really came down to just myself, my head of school, and my director of enrollment management. That team of three were, we were really the core group, but um.

 

I was the point person for Tara. One of the things that I like about the, the way she does the work is we’re not meeting in groups all the time. You know, it’s kind of too many cooks in the kitchen kind of thing. It can slow down the process sometimes. So, you know, we had numerous meetings that included, I.

 

Matt, my head of school, Amy, my director of enrollment and myself. But then when it came to the, the guts of it, then it was just Tara and I. So that worked well for me, um, to have those tiers of people around me and supporting me in doing it, but not having everybody try to be present for every single decision that really worked well.

 

Yes, 

 

Aubrey: having too many cooks in the kitchen can really slow things down, right. No, I we’re, we’re, I’m gonna ask this next question. I’m gonna ask that you don’t sugarcoat it, ’cause you know, Tara’s here, but she’s always honest about everything. What do you think the biggest challenge was during, or any website redesign process?

 

Because I know you’ve done several, so I’m very curious as what you thought the biggest 

 

Barb: challenge was. Ha. Okay. Well, Tara knows that I am very direct too and very honest. So, um, and she also knows my biggest challenge certainly wasn’t her, so that’s good. Um, I think the hardest part for me was having a, a fair number of people involved that don’t really understand the parameters of building a website.

 

So we have a running joke here at Renbrooke where I say to members of my team. Did you just say, what if we just do this? It’s like, what if we just, what if we just No, no, no. It doesn’t work that way, folks. So, um, they often want me to add more, or, you know, creating clutter on a page or they saw something on another website and they think that.

 

We can just magically do it, but it would cost a fortune to do. Um, so I spent a lot of time, what the way I found it worked best was if I presented the, the ideas to Tara, she was endlessly patient with me, and she would give me a good technical answer to bring back to the team as to why that kind of thing is not gonna work.

 

So I would say that was the biggest challenge, was that there was a significant amount of time spent on explaining people why we can’t just do X, Y, Z, you know. 

 

Tara: That’s really interesting and it’s not unusual. Right. And I think that’s a benefit of working with an agency that knows what they’re doing because they, they can back up, back up what you’re saying.

 

Sometimes your internal team, not that they don’t trust you and have faith in you, but sometimes hearing it from an outside expert. Like, makes that light bulb go off. It’s all the difference. Like, oh yes, I see. That’s why we can’t do that. Right. Or Mm-Hmm. Or there’s a, you know, that’s gonna be a bad user experience, or here’s what some research shows about, you know, centering your logo or, you know, those types of things, um, are helpful to have, you know, somebody to back you up on that.

 

So Yeah, I can, I can absolutely that, 

 

Barb: and it takes that emotional component out of it. I think that those of us who are here, we love this school, right? Yeah. And sometimes we can’t get past that emotional piece of. We just want people to see this, you know? Right. Um, and we really need to get back to what’s the purpose?

 

What are our goals? Yeah, 

 

Tara: yeah. Yeah. That’s a long standing conversation in the agency world. Even back 30 years ago when I worked for an ad agency where you’re always, the client always wants to say all the great things about their product. Mm-Hmm. Or their thing. Um, but most of the time those are not the things that the actual consumer is, is looking for.

 

Uh, it’s not the problem that they’re looking to solve. So, yeah, that’s very true. Exactly. Uh, on the, on the flip side, what was your, I’m curious to know, what was your favorite part of the website redesign process? I mean, you’re a great designer and you were super helpful, more than any client I’ve ever worked with in photo editing and all of that.

 

’cause you have all those tools and skills, but you know, what was the thing that you liked the best and did anything surprise you about the 

 

Barb: process? Okay. So the thing I liked the best, um, I am fortunate to have a graphic design background, so I did, I, I love doing the design work. That’s what makes me tick.

 

I like, you know, being in there and manipulating and, and creating. And so that was great that I had the opportunity to do that in this process. Um, I also had a library of countless photos and videos, which was, you know, and Tara allowed me to have full control over that, and that was wonderful. Um. I’m also about organization, as Tara said before, and I loved the approach that the team took with a very vibrant spreadsheet where you could put your fingers on anything you needed.

 

I don’t care who you work with, this was probably the best tool, um, that that came through in the process for me so I could find it. And I still refer to it on a daily, you know, several times a week basis. It might be that I’m putting a new photo somewhere. Oh, what was the size of that photo? I can go right to that spreadsheet and still I don’t have to keep all that in my head and it’s all right there for me for a lifetime.

 

So it was great. So the shared docs, the shared folders, all of that, uh, it just made the organization seamless and that I was, I. Really grateful for that. Um, surprised me, I would say is a positive. Um, and I don’t, I, I don’t mean to be too flowery here and make this all about Tara, but I’m, I’m, that’s who I worked with, so that’s my experience.

 

But I’m so 

 

Tara: glad we had you on this. This podcast firm 

 

Barb: podcast? Well, the truth is that you and your team were fabulous about working with my, under other platforms and vendors. That for me, that that was the surprise piece for me. It was so refreshing because I was worried about that part. I. So, um, in small marketing departments, you are only as strong as your vendor partnerships, right?

 

We all, we all know that. And I work with Angie Ward of Enroll Media Group for my digital marketing. I work with, uh, and she also supports me in analytics and SEO. We use inquiry Tracker for our enrollment management platform form at the inquiry phase, yet we use BlackBot at the application phase and admission phase of our enrollment and for our full SIS.

 

So you’ve got all these. Pieces, all of the puzzle. And Tara and her team worked directly with every one of my vendor partners and just made it seamless. It was really great. We had a few blips here and there that we had to, Tom had to write some code for us and you know, we needed Tara to troubleshoot something, but Tara and team managed it all, and that was incredibly helpful and such a pleasant surprise for me.

 

That was one of my biggest worries going into it. So I would say that’s it. 

 

Aubrey: That’s amazing. Um, I know it, first of all, being organized is, is half a battle? Mm-Hmm mm-Hmm. I think, um, so I’m curious, you know, I, we know many schools right now that are talking like, now is the time to design, redesign our website.

 

Mm-Hmm. It’s, it’s in desperate needs. Like, we got through Covid and now we’re ready or, yeah. On. So, um,

Tara: kick it off. Thank you for sharing that.

 

Um, this has been so informative and helpful and I feel so good about myself. You’ve made my day. Oh, good. And I know also one of the fun things when we first started working together is that you already were a listener of this podcast. Yes. So, you know that we also talk about mindfulness here. Mm-Hmm. And so, um, and how it applies to your life, our lives as.

 

School marketers. Mm-Hmm. Um, many of us as women. Um, so, um, how do you define mindfulness? Barb, and how did mindfulness come into play for you during your website 

 

Barb: redesign process? Sure. I love that question. Tara. Um, mindfulness is a part of every day for me. I think that, you know, we, we work in, um, an area school marketing can be stressful and it can be demanding, and a website redesign in particular can be all consuming.

 

So I. Um, I take a step back when I’m overwhelmed. Sometimes I just have to walk away from my desk and go for that walk. I, as I mentioned at the beginning, we are on beautiful seventy-five acres, and there are countless places to go for a quick walk, and when it’s cold or the weather’s lousy, I can walk the halls and that’s fine too.

 

So. That’s, that’s kind of my go-to, to, to do that. And usually I do that. I do what I call, walk and learn. So I put my AirPods in and I listen to people like you girls, uh, on your, your podcast as I take a little break. So I think that’s one. Um, and I don’t just do it when my stress is climbing. I start my day on my commuted in the morning.

 

I know I’m a little earthy, crunchy and strange, but I do some breathing on my way in just really, you know. Particular focused breathing to just create a calm mindset for myself for the day. This is a busy place with a lot of activity and lots of little bodies running around. So that’s just how I, how I approach my day.

 

As a school 

 

Aubrey: leader, it’s so important to have to walk into your day with that foundation that you just talked about. Yes. I mean, you never know what’s gonna come at you. Um, no. So I love that. Thank you so much for sharing. I’m gonna transition us to one of my favorite segments of our program, which is the rapid fire questions.

 

Mm-Hmm. So are you ready for rapid fire? 

 

Barb: I’m ready for rapid fire. 

 

Aubrey: Great. I’m gonna kick us off. If you could choose, put one book, um, as mandatory reading in the high school curriculum, what would it be? 

 

Barb: I know you’ve had this answer before because I listened to you. So, but it would be anything on financial management.

 

It is such a missing key point for kids in high school. Um, even the Rich Dad Poor Dad series is a, is a great series of books and he has a relatively new, well, it’s actually not new, but the one for teens is, is a good one that he talks about the Secrets of Money and what’s his name? Ro Um, Robert Kiyosaki.

 

I think he’s, I think he, that’s a great one. It’s very, I. Digestible for kids. 

 

Tara: Yeah. Thank you. Great. Yes. Financial literacy is something we hear a lot, um, on this question. Mm-Hmm. Okay. Next question. What’s one app you couldn’t live without? 

 

Barb: Easy, audible. I love my Audible app. I have a, uh, 50 minute commute, and I listen to Audible in my car every day.

 

Aubrey: I’m right there with you. Love the hot mold. Did, did 

 

Tara: you know that Spotify has audiobooks now though? Oh, can get them. Not on Spotify. If you have the premium plan on Spotify, you can get full audiobooks there so you don’t have to pay for audible Little tips. I’ll write it down. Thanks for the tip. I don’t know if it’s forever or not, but I just paused my audible subscription on Spotify.

 

Yeah. 

 

Barb: Good. Good to know. Yeah. 

 

Aubrey: Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Mm-Hmm. Look, we’re all getting all sorts of tips now, right? Um, maybe your, your app will change next time we talk to you. Who knows? Um, all right. And let’s see. What is, what are you reading right 

 

Barb: now? Ah, I always have two books going. So one is my book, club book and one is something personal for like, something that, you know, self-awareness, that kind of thing.

 

So, um, for my spiritual sort of book, I’m listening to the energy codes, uh, the Seven Step System to awaken your spirit, heal your body, and live your best. Life by Dr. Sue Mortar, and I’m joining that. And then my book club, we just finished the Secret book of Flora Lee by Patti Callahan Henry wonderful book about, uh, a woman who discovers a rare book that has connections to her past and her missing sister.

 

And it tells the story of their childhood spent in the English countryside during World War II. So, um, so that was a fun read. So I love my book club. That gives me my chance to read fun stuff. So, yeah. 

 

Tara: Very fun. Okay. Mm-Hmm? I’m gonna look those up. Thank you. Yes. Alright, last question. I know you’ve given us a lot of advice, but let’s just do an overarching, what’s one great piece of advice you’d like to leave us with today?

 

I would 

 

Barb: say it is develop a tribe in your field. Um, that has been, I’ve been in this business for a long time and one of the things that has always been most powerful to me is having colleagues that I can count on and I can lean on. Um, I run, I mentioned it earlier, the, the marketing roundtables for Connecticut Association of Independent Schools.

 

And one of the things that I say at the beginning of every. Academic years, we start to get back together is you are my competitors, are you sorry, I apologize. You are my colleagues before you are my competitors. We have so much that we can learn from one another. Parents are going to make their decisions, but I have found my wonderful vendor partners through this, my colleagues in that group, they make me stronger.

 

They make me a better marketer. They make me a better person. So find your tribe. 

 

Aubrey: That’s such great advice. I mean, and it, it’s, we can’t do this alone. That’s just not, we can’t do it. So I thank you so much for sharing that. That’s something all our schools leaders need to have, for sure. 

 

Tara: Yeah. Yes. Thank you.

 

Thanks so much for joining us. Where can people find you online? 

 

Barb: Barb. Oh gosh. Well you can find me personally on LinkedIn. At Barb Doyle. It’s actually Barb Spencer Doyle. Um, but uh, I would say come to Renbrooke.org and check out our website. That’s where you can find me. It’s awesome. We’re really happy with it.

 

Great. Thank 

 

Aubrey: you so much, Barb. We’re so thank 

 

Tara: you. Have a great day. Such a pleasure 

 

Barb: to be with you guys. Bye-Bye bye.